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Nozio |
Posted - 16/01/2004 : 14:56:10 Who do you think will be on the Tour team? My guess is Basso, Bartoli, Sastre, Luttenberger, Julich, Voigt, Jaksche, Arvesen, Blaudzun. |
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Swede |
Posted - 09/06/2004 : 12:13:26 Since Fassa and other sprinter team will do everything to have sprints in the flat stages it means that riders like Piil and Arvesen will have problems of winning stages. So I don't see the point in having Bartoli, Piil and Arvesen in the TDF squad. Better to sack to of them and pring on Luttenberger and Sorensen in the TDF squad. |
n/a |
Posted - 09/06/2004 : 12:11:28 I don'tthink we will see Bartoli, Arvesen and Piil at the same time. A rider like Voigt can also go for a stagewin, so instead of Piil I think we will see Luttenberger or S�rensen.
CSC rocks my world!!! |
Pangaea |
Posted - 09/06/2004 : 11:00:08 I don't think the team classification will be a goal from the start, and with 3 riders like Basso, Sastre and Jaksche, Luttenberger won't be needed here. I agree that if Basso has a realistic chance to finish on the podium this year, - and I mean in as if nothing goes wrong - the team should more or less be builded around him. But at this point, there is other candidates who probaly have better chances and we haven't really seen anything this spring that tells us, that he will.
It still comes down too, that he has to limit his losses in the TT, instead of gaining time. That would be okay if he was stronger than the others uphill, but he ain't that much of a attacker, or at least not yet. Basically it dousen't seem that CSC could afford to go all in for the GC this year, but maybe Basso will have the nessary strength next year, which I think would be more realistic. But maybe he will surprise, and a top5 should hopefully be possible.
A wide objective seems like the best solution, even though it will hard to go for stage wins, with such a strong sprinter like Petacci, who comes from the giro with 9 wins.
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Luc Leblanc |
Posted - 09/06/2004 : 07:22:25 Unless something weird happens with Nicki (who was seriously dropped yesterday in Dauphin�, despite Gallopin saying he expected a lot from him in the mountains), I believe this will be the Tour team:
Basso Sastre Jaksche Voigt Julich Bartoli Piil Arvesen Peron
Have a look at the names, and compare with last year:
Hamilton (Basso) Luttenberger (Jaksche) Blaudzun (Voigt) Nicki (Julich) Bekim (Bartoli) N. Jalabert (Arvesen) Sastre (-) Piil (-) Peron (-)
You do the math |
Swede |
Posted - 06/06/2004 : 15:15:13 It all comes down to what Bjarne is looking for with this years TDF. Is he aiming for the Team classification, maybe winning the TTT or having a rider in top 3.
If he is aming for the Team classification he need climbers in the team, i.e. Luttenberger and Peron/Sorensen. If he is going to the TTT it is better with Sandstod and Peron.
Personally I don't like the TTT, doesn't bring any good for the TDF, since I think the best rider should win, not the rider with best TT-riders within the team.
My guess is that following riders are likely right now to be riding the TDF:
Basso, Jaksche, Sastre, Voigt, Jullich, Bartoli, Peron, Luttenberger and Sorensen
But this might be changed after Dauphine Libere and Tour de Suisse |
n/a |
Posted - 06/06/2004 : 15:11:17 Piil has the right shape, but he is one of those riders who have to go in a break to show that the shape is there. In Bayern Rundfahrt he rode a pretty good ITT so I think he is in good shape and if he can just catch the right break then he'll have the first viztory of the season...
CSC rocks my world!!! |
Jesper D |
Posted - 06/06/2004 : 15:01:17 What about Sandstood? He is ridding very good in tour de deutscheland at the moment and can be the extra 5/7% on the TTT. He is great at the TTT and I think he has got a fantastick shape as he also says at his homepage. I would like Sandstood on the team insted of eigther Pill or Arvesen. Pill hasn't yet found the nessersary shape as far as i see it.
CSC: Tr� belle. =) |
theEagle |
Posted - 04/06/2004 : 15:12:59 quote: Originally posted by The Champ
My opinion is that the idea of Bartoli and Arvesen riding the tour is a very bad one. I think they should ride some extra oneday-races instead of competing in TDF. I know that this race will get them in a very good shape, but it is still 3 weeks where they maybe won't make any points or maybe only a few. In those 3 weeks a rider like Luttenberger, S�rensen or Peron would be a much greater benefit, both to support the teamleaders and to score points for themselves. Then one spot could go to Piil, Bartoli or Arvesen. They should be able to train hard at home, they don't need to compete in TDF for that, or they could just ride some minor races and work alot in those.. That way they could also score some extra points for the team, points that S�rensen, Luttenberger and Peron would'nt be able to score because they are specialists in races like TDF.
CSC rocks my world!!!
The Champ! Normally this is correct. But this years lack of mountain stages in the first 2 weeks requeres a new way of thinking. Thats why i think Riis will bring both Bartoli and Arvesen (Piil) to the tdf this year. They will have good chances.
theEagle;o) |
n/a |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 15:05:43 My opinion is that the idea of Bartoli and Arvesen riding the tour is a very bad one. I think they should ride some extra oneday-races instead of competing in TDF. I know that this race will get them in a very good shape, but it is still 3 weeks where they maybe won't make any points or maybe only a few. In those 3 weeks a rider like Luttenberger, S�rensen or Peron would be a much greater benefit, both to support the teamleaders and to score points for themselves. Then one spot could go to Piil, Bartoli or Arvesen. They should be able to train hard at home, they don't need to compete in TDF for that, or they could just ride some minor races and work alot in those.. That way they could also score some extra points for the team, points that S�rensen, Luttenberger and Peron would'nt be able to score because they are specialists in races like TDF.
CSC rocks my world!!! |
Culkasi |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 13:56:30 then it will be S�rensen since Arvesen and Bartoli has secured spots. more and more CSC riders are showing great form, and guarenteeing Bartoli that spot was the error of the season for Riis. Now he has to pick between several good riders for the last spot, when he could get 2 in TDF
Culkasi |
Swede |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 10:07:12 quote: Originally posted by theEagle
I think it�s getting more and more obvious that theese 9 riders are going to France:
Basso Sastre Julich Voigt Jaksche Bartoli Arvesen Peron S�rensen
I still hope Piil will go instead of Arvesen, but Riis has almost promissed Arvesen the spot if he kept his good shape - and it looks like it will be the case!
theEagle;o)
If Luttenberger riding good in Tour of Deutschland and Tour de Suisse he will be in the TDF-spot. Last year he was rider who was the main reasion for CSC winning the team competition since he always performed good in the mountains and that was why CSC won the teams classification.
I think someone of Bartoli, Arevesen or S�rensen has to leave the TDF squad. Voigt, Sastre, Basso, Jaksche and Julllich is clear. |
theEagle |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 09:44:13 I think it�s getting more and more obvious that theese 9 riders are going to France:
Basso Sastre Julich Voigt Jaksche Bartoli Arvesen Peron S�rensen
I still hope Piil will go instead of Arvesen, but Riis has almost promissed Arvesen the spot if he kept his good shape - and it looks like it will be the case!
theEagle;o) |
Martin |
Posted - 25/05/2004 : 22:27:31 Maybe Bartoli is so tired of hearing people say that he has performed dissapionting this spring that will give it all for the team and the yellow jersey the first week...
And just remember how good shape Bettini got in the Tour last year!!
My only problem whit the team whit out Peron and with Lutttenberger is the TTT. There is a yellow jersey and some time to win!! |
lennert |
Posted - 25/05/2004 : 21:13:51 Yea if Riis promised it on paper , but maybe can Riis convince that bartoli shouldn't go to the TDF,because i really don't see the point of Bartoli is going to the tour ,i think that bartoli see the TDF only as preparation for the classics and really for the TDF itself ,but who know ,i think Bartoli is to much a guy who does it one his own,not enough in team
Csc for number 1 in the world!!!
Winner of Paris-nice..! |
Culkasi |
Posted - 25/05/2004 : 16:23:09 hm, I could agree its the strongest team - but You are forgetting that Bartoli has a spot there for sure - Riis promised him that
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